Comments on: I guess climate change is real after all http://www.ericjamesstone.com/blog/2008/02/27/i-guess-climate-change-is-real-after-all/ Science Fiction and Fantasy Author Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:43:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Eric James Stone http://www.ericjamesstone.com/blog/2008/02/27/i-guess-climate-change-is-real-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-19987 Eric James Stone Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:32:49 +0000 http://www.ericjamesstone.com/blog/2008/02/27/i-guess-climate-change-is-real-after-all/#comment-19987 Forgive me for being cynical about the way alarmists love to tout the 2nd-warmest numbers but not the 5th-warmest numbers. If, as you say, the difference is insignificant, why not tout them both? You are incorrect to say that "it's getting hotter" follows from 2007 being the 5th hottest year on record. "It's hotter than it used to be" follows, so you can use it as evidence that the earth has warmed. However, if the NOAA numbers are correct, then the fact that several recent years have been hotter than 2007 better fits a leveling off or cooling trend than a continued warming one. Now, I don't mean to lump you into a category, but among climate alarmists I see a lot of absolute, unwavering faith that the world is still getting hotter no matter what the numbers over the last decade have shown. Forgive me for being cynical about the way alarmists love to tout the 2nd-warmest numbers but not the 5th-warmest numbers. If, as you say, the difference is insignificant, why not tout them both?

You are incorrect to say that “it’s getting hotter” follows from 2007 being the 5th hottest year on record. “It’s hotter than it used to be” follows, so you can use it as evidence that the earth has warmed. However, if the NOAA numbers are correct, then the fact that several recent years have been hotter than 2007 better fits a leveling off or cooling trend than a continued warming one.

Now, I don’t mean to lump you into a category, but among climate alarmists I see a lot of absolute, unwavering faith that the world is still getting hotter no matter what the numbers over the last decade have shown.

]]> By: jpd http://www.ericjamesstone.com/blog/2008/02/27/i-guess-climate-change-is-real-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-19986 jpd Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:57:49 +0000 http://www.ericjamesstone.com/blog/2008/02/27/i-guess-climate-change-is-real-after-all/#comment-19986 I appreciate your assault on my integrity. Particularly since you use the relatively insignificant disagreement over whether 2007 ranked 2nd or 5th in the "hottest years ever" category to skirt addressing the actual argument that follows from either result-- that it's getting hotter. I don't mean to lump you into a category, but that type of argument comes up alot in the conservative anti-science community. It's the same argument I hear from creationists: if there's any disagreement over any details in evolution, it means there's disagreement about the theory itself. But that assault doesn't stand up to logical scrutiny, and ad hominem attacks won't repair its holes. I appreciate your assault on my integrity. Particularly since you use the relatively insignificant disagreement over whether 2007 ranked 2nd or 5th in the “hottest years ever” category to skirt addressing the actual argument that follows from either result– that it’s getting hotter. I don’t mean to lump you into a category, but that type of argument comes up alot in the conservative anti-science community. It’s the same argument I hear from creationists: if there’s any disagreement over any details in evolution, it means there’s disagreement about the theory itself. But that assault doesn’t stand up to logical scrutiny, and ad hominem attacks won’t repair its holes.

]]> By: Eric James Stone http://www.ericjamesstone.com/blog/2008/02/27/i-guess-climate-change-is-real-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-19839 Eric James Stone Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:03:10 +0000 http://www.ericjamesstone.com/blog/2008/02/27/i-guess-climate-change-is-real-after-all/#comment-19839 > That 2007 is the second warmest year on record. Or the fifth warmest year on record: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080115_warmest.html Boy, these climate scientists really ought to get their stories straight. It cannot be both the fifth warmest year on record and the second warmest year on record. At least one of the claims must be incorrect. I'm curious: if the NASA numbers had shown 2007 as the fifth warmest and the NOAA numbers had shown 2007 as the second warmest, would you still be touting the NASA numbers? > That 2007 is the second warmest year on record.

Or the fifth warmest year on record:
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080115_warmest.html

Boy, these climate scientists really ought to get their stories straight. It cannot be both the fifth warmest year on record and the second warmest year on record. At least one of the claims must be incorrect.

I’m curious: if the NASA numbers had shown 2007 as the fifth warmest and the NOAA numbers had shown 2007 as the second warmest, would you still be touting the NASA numbers?

]]> By: jpd http://www.ericjamesstone.com/blog/2008/02/27/i-guess-climate-change-is-real-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-19837 jpd Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:22:35 +0000 http://www.ericjamesstone.com/blog/2008/02/27/i-guess-climate-change-is-real-after-all/#comment-19837 Of course, here's another way of saying it: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/ That 2007 is the second warmest year on record. Ever. (well, on record). So it's not even that a single year of cooling, which the data doesn't actually appear to support the way that diagram purports to show, is a fluke. It's that even given natural cooling factors, it's getting hotter. Of course, here’s another way of saying it: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/

That 2007 is the second warmest year on record. Ever. (well, on record). So it’s not even that a single year of cooling, which the data doesn’t actually appear to support the way that diagram purports to show, is a fluke. It’s that even given natural cooling factors, it’s getting hotter.

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